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25 Responses to “Inside Story – The future of US gun laws – 19 Mar 08 -Part 1”
@tock101 US military is the strongest one in the world. The fact that the US has huge gun issues, only goes to show that the US is far from the strongest country in the world societally. But I forget. Many US citizens only dictate strength with military might. This could be one of their biggest problems. There is more to true strength. A good analogy is Of Mice and Men. The US is like Lenny. Big and strong, but not too bright. Who was the leader there. George. Small and quick witted.
@TheSmokeTube Your world of paranoia and regurgitated thoughtless rhetoric. If you want to be a thinking adult sometimes you have to be a critic of your views to validate them. You should really try that sometimes. You might find out somethings that you want to believer are true actually aren’t. Where do you think criminals get their guns from another country? Yeah everybody packing heat will make the world a safe place. Do you think about what your saying?
And if you were a criminal, you would feel pretty damn strong if you would KNOW that the person you are about to rob does not have a gun to protect himself with against YOU!
@cikenberry3 First of all, no i am no a Alabama redneck, you liberal fuck. Second of all, i am very sorry that you cannot understand that all the gun laws asshole politics are trying to pass, will never stop any criminal from doing anything. It will only make them stronger. Gun control only takes the guns out of LAW ABIDING citizens, who DO NOT have a crime record, and legaly own a firearm for self/home defense and recreational shooting. BECAUSE ONLY LAW ABIDING CITIZENS OBEY THE LAW!!!!!
@imorio
Excuses Excuses. That is no excuse for not looking at the evidence. You have internet? Do you have a mouse, keyboard and money? If so you can by the books on Amozon, or rent a book
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine Again, Im not going to try to obtain an american book in the netherlands at 3:00 in the morning, this discussing does mean something to me, but sleep atm means more to me.
@imorio
You said that they got guns from the government during the cold war, 40 yrs ago. And you never said we had high chances of getting killed by terrorist vs, our own guns. You asked a question. And give me your sources
@imorio In addition to the united states government, france, and china are also sources of the illegal arms trade. As for gun accidents, its a matter of personal responsibilty.
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine Go back a bit, you said that terrorists had guns. I said that the chance of dying of a terrorists attack in the west is very low (lower than getting shot by your own gun) and that they got the guns from the us goverment.
The sources are posted here on page one and two of the comments. It is your job to look at those comments. They will not be posted again nor will I repeat my self.
@imorio
I already gave you where the stats are found and how they were found. And you have not given me one source. As I said it is your job to look at the sources and texts I gave you.
@imorio
Your argument is against citizens owning guns, and your premise is the taliban has guns given by our government 40 years ago. which does not support your argument. What does that have to do with TODAY’s gunshops?
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine Ok, show that the jews were well aware of what was happening, your premise your proof remember. Again, they were hated for centurys, getting their shops kicked in (sadly) wasn’t strange to them, yet this was the first time in history of such large scale excecutions. Again, why go through the whole act of the showers if they knew all about it.
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine No, my argument is that because the US gave the taliban weapons, they still have them today. After the fall of the afgani goverment, they got even more weapons, I thought enough explosives were lost in that time to keep up the current pase of IED for 200 years, although the source for that is burried in a very big piele.
The Jews and others were well aware of what was happening. I guess a Nazi beating them in the streets and destroying their shops was taken as a sign of affection?
I gave you my sources and it is your job to look at them. Now it is your turn to give me your sources. For your premises, the burden of proof is on you
Next you argue the following:
The US gov’t gave guns to the Taliban 40+ years ago (True)
Therefore the taliban gets guns today from gun companies (False)
The fact that your premise is true and your conclusion is false means that your argument is invalid and thus unsound. The conclusion does not follow from the premise. Your premise states one thing and the conclusion quite another
@imorio
*and then you say I need to be sure I get my sources right?*
Ad Hominem tu quoque fallacy. And John Lott and Gary Kleck are two criminologists who found the statistics. Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control, Gary Kleck, Aldine de Gruyter, 1997 .One such book is more guns less crime. Next you still have not name your source. There are millions of handguns in the US yet fewer than 600 gun accidents a year (National Center for Health Statistics)
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine No, the jews were the ones left in the dark about what was going to happen to them and people are naturally passive. The nazi’s just took it slow, hit on an already mistrusted group and there you go. It took about 3 decades here for the jews to even the reconized as a victims group. I believe this year the retribution was finally all done.
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine Ok, so first you refrences twice some unnamed FBI statistic (what statistic? measured how? found where?) and then you say I need to be sure I get my sources right?
@tock101 US military is the strongest one in the world. The fact that the US has huge gun issues, only goes to show that the US is far from the strongest country in the world societally. But I forget. Many US citizens only dictate strength with military might. This could be one of their biggest problems. There is more to true strength. A good analogy is Of Mice and Men. The US is like Lenny. Big and strong, but not too bright. Who was the leader there. George. Small and quick witted.
@TheSmokeTube Your world of paranoia and regurgitated thoughtless rhetoric. If you want to be a thinking adult sometimes you have to be a critic of your views to validate them. You should really try that sometimes. You might find out somethings that you want to believer are true actually aren’t. Where do you think criminals get their guns from another country? Yeah everybody packing heat will make the world a safe place. Do you think about what your saying?
@cikenberry3
And if you were a criminal, you would feel pretty damn strong if you would KNOW that the person you are about to rob does not have a gun to protect himself with against YOU!
@cikenberry3 First of all, no i am no a Alabama redneck, you liberal fuck. Second of all, i am very sorry that you cannot understand that all the gun laws asshole politics are trying to pass, will never stop any criminal from doing anything. It will only make them stronger. Gun control only takes the guns out of LAW ABIDING citizens, who DO NOT have a crime record, and legaly own a firearm for self/home defense and recreational shooting. BECAUSE ONLY LAW ABIDING CITIZENS OBEY THE LAW!!!!!
@TheSmokeTube what are you an Alabama redneck?
I would slap that fucking bitch.
Where are your sources?
@imorio
Excuses Excuses. That is no excuse for not looking at the evidence. You have internet? Do you have a mouse, keyboard and money? If so you can by the books on Amozon, or rent a book
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine Again, Im not going to try to obtain an american book in the netherlands at 3:00 in the morning, this discussing does mean something to me, but sleep atm means more to me.
@imorio
You said that they got guns from the government during the cold war, 40 yrs ago. And you never said we had high chances of getting killed by terrorist vs, our own guns. You asked a question. And give me your sources
@imorio In addition to the united states government, france, and china are also sources of the illegal arms trade. As for gun accidents, its a matter of personal responsibilty.
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine Go back a bit, you said that terrorists had guns. I said that the chance of dying of a terrorists attack in the west is very low (lower than getting shot by your own gun) and that they got the guns from the us goverment.
The sources are posted here on page one and two of the comments. It is your job to look at those comments. They will not be posted again nor will I repeat my self.
@imorio
I already gave you where the stats are found and how they were found. And you have not given me one source. As I said it is your job to look at the sources and texts I gave you.
@imorio
Your argument is against citizens owning guns, and your premise is the taliban has guns given by our government 40 years ago. which does not support your argument. What does that have to do with TODAY’s gunshops?
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine Again not very scientific. Which studies, where is the data from and how is it collected?
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine Ok, show that the jews were well aware of what was happening, your premise your proof remember. Again, they were hated for centurys, getting their shops kicked in (sadly) wasn’t strange to them, yet this was the first time in history of such large scale excecutions. Again, why go through the whole act of the showers if they knew all about it.
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine No, my argument is that because the US gave the taliban weapons, they still have them today. After the fall of the afgani goverment, they got even more weapons, I thought enough explosives were lost in that time to keep up the current pase of IED for 200 years, although the source for that is burried in a very big piele.
The FBI is the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Their statistics were from everywhere in the US over more than 10 years, all averaged.
The Jews and others were well aware of what was happening. I guess a Nazi beating them in the streets and destroying their shops was taken as a sign of affection?
I gave you my sources and it is your job to look at them. Now it is your turn to give me your sources. For your premises, the burden of proof is on you
Next you argue the following:
The US gov’t gave guns to the Taliban 40+ years ago (True)
Therefore the taliban gets guns today from gun companies (False)
The fact that your premise is true and your conclusion is false means that your argument is invalid and thus unsound. The conclusion does not follow from the premise. Your premise states one thing and the conclusion quite another
@imorio
*and then you say I need to be sure I get my sources right?*
Ad Hominem tu quoque fallacy. And John Lott and Gary Kleck are two criminologists who found the statistics. Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control, Gary Kleck, Aldine de Gruyter, 1997 .One such book is more guns less crime. Next you still have not name your source. There are millions of handguns in the US yet fewer than 600 gun accidents a year (National Center for Health Statistics)
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine No, the jews were the ones left in the dark about what was going to happen to them and people are naturally passive. The nazi’s just took it slow, hit on an already mistrusted group and there you go. It took about 3 decades here for the jews to even the reconized as a victims group. I believe this year the retribution was finally all done.
@ArcyTheFurryArcanine Ok, so first you refrences twice some unnamed FBI statistic (what statistic? measured how? found where?) and then you say I need to be sure I get my sources right?